Curse

Regulus X · May 21, 2009, 10:49 PM // 22:49

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Originally Posted by Elementer Masta

Wait, what? You can get a ban for using offensive language? Then why the hell is there an option to turn the censor off?

For good looks.

Everyone expects you to stomach irresponsible kids (14 years and <). RA = not-srs bsns/real-PvP-Arena.. hence, all the 'Oh, well, ur fault, go TA, get over it, You fail, your fault, control yourself despite everyone throwing stones at you, your fault, your fault/quit ranting, your fault, stfu, your fault, did I forget to mention 'your fault?' yet?, stfu newb, I don't play in RA si IDC, your fault, newb, your fault.. (see the obvious trend so far?) your fault.. etc.. RA is a PvP Arena and NEEDS attention! Just like HA, just like TA, just like GvG (which Anet PRIMARILY BASES SKILL-BALANCE OFF OF and cares oh-so-much about.. more than any other arena, hence the neglect). Does any other fellow RAer feel at all the same as me? Any differences? (Just my own viewpoint). Keep in mind that my point of view is reflective only of that which has already been stated on this thread. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong ofc.

Chocobo1 · May 21, 2009, 11:05 PM // 23:05

Yeah, I've been banned 3 times for "verbal abuse". So now I have become one of those silent, non-talking guys that are boring as hell when I'm around people I don't know. It's annoying and it's lame but hey, I'd rather keep my account than let a 12 year old kid realize he blows at the game.

I have to say though, having to filter everything I say just to make sure I can't be /reported by a kid who is really asking for it has really ruined the game for me. We all know the huge ammount of players in GW that just cause grief, and having to sit back and tolerate it is one of the most frustrating things in this game. You can't even leave the game if they screw around, because that = dishonourable. The /report concept is great in theory. In practice, it is one of the most horrid systems in any of the games I play.

To be honest, I prefered the pre-reporting times, no matter how bad the problems were with it, it was always better than the system we have now.

Copenhagen Master · May 21, 2009, 11:05 PM // 23:05

The reporting system is stupid anyways!! I mean I USE!!! to report leechers all the time until I myself was temp bann. It does no good to report when your the only one doing it and noone else will it make it look like you are abusing the system when you are actually not. As far as RA I totally gave up on that immature area of GW

Regulus X · May 21, 2009, 11:08 PM // 23:08

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Originally Posted by Chocobo1

Yeah, I've been banned 3 times for "verbal abuse". So now I have become one of those silent, non-talking guys that are boring as hell when I'm around people I don't know. It's annoying and it's lame but hey, I'd rather keep my account than let a 12 year old kid realize he blows at the game.

I have to say though, having to filter everything I say just to make sure I can't be /reported by a kid who is really asking for it has really ruined the game for me. We all know the huge ammount of players in GW that just cause grief, and having to sit back and tolerate it is one of the most frustrating things in this game. You can't even leave the game if they screw around, because that = dishonourable. The /report concept is great in theory. In practice, it is one of the most horrid systems in any of the games I play.

To be honest, I prefered the pre-reporting times, no matter how bad the problems were with it, it was always better than the system we have now.

OMG I salute You! Wow, Chocobo you couldn't have put it any better. Good game! =)

byteme! · May 21, 2009, 11:28 PM // 23:28

I've never been banned because for the most part I can't think of any person worth my time to provoke me into getting myself banned. You'd literally have to pay me to give a damn about strangers who share a virtual world with me with virtual pixels.

Wish Swiftdeath · May 22, 2009, 01:08 AM // 01:08

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Originally Posted by garethporlest18

I kept my team alive without any deaths. Versus a team with a monk. It's only fail in the wrong hands.

Actually it's still fail, the reason you won was that the other team was EVEN more fail.

Solo monked 12 wins in RA with life sheath, had nothing to do with skill.

Shadowspawn X · May 22, 2009, 02:11 AM // 02:11

LMAO, the OP is too immature to control his nerdy rage then makes a thread calling the rest of the community immature for not tolerating his tantrums. Just stay out of RA till you grow up.

pumpkin pie · May 22, 2009, 02:31 AM // 02:31

Thank you for starting this thread.

Random Arena is on the declined when I stop playing there, It is in the gutter now. Okay, so you caught me playing in Random Arena, I could only stand it for 2+ hours, while trying to fill up my Zaishen Menagerie a few days ago, the task turns tedious and boring, so I went to RA, then, .... unfortunately, events and happenings reminds me why I had left it in the first place.

In the 2+ hours that I have temporary return to RA, I did not speak one word, because you know what that would result into, a flame and report war. Even when I do not respond, I get abused. Beside the abuse, in the 2+ hours, every battle I enter is unsuccessful to get to the end of the battle in a sportsmen like fashion. At least 2, I said 2, players would /resign on entering the game and forces the other players to do so, (now you know where the abuse comes from even when I do not respond) because I refuse to /resign.

I proposed this once again:
NON-CONSECUTIVE 5 WINS gets one gladiator points, if you get consecutive 5 wins, meaning without a lost battle in between 5 battle that you have entered and won consecutively, and not 5 consecutive battle with the same players, then you get the bonus as if you were in a streak wins (like what we have now).

When I say non-consecutive, it means that every player is return to the Waiting Area/Random Arena Island after every battle regardless if they win or loose.

Reasoning behind this:
When non-consecutive 5 wins is achieve, We reduce the needs of players ever having to talk to another players in the short one time battle - hence less verbal abuse. We reduce the needs for players to use the /resign command to try to get into a "good" group as according to their own standard. If its a one time battle, you better play it to the best of your ability or you will be spending time entering battle the whole day without ever playing one game, (that's what happen during my 2+ hours, players kept /resigning, I've thus wasted my 2+ hours clicking enter battle only to get verbal abuse and returning to the Random Arena Waiting Island).

Other possible changes if the above is not to be:
1) Limit the use of /resign to once every 10 battle.
2) Ramdonmising the Random Arena, If we win the battle, we get to the next map/battle as we do now, BUT you get group up with another 3 new players (who have also won battle) other then the one you have now. So that we still get consecutive wins only with different players.
3) Impose a Penalty in the form of deduction from Gladiator Title Track, for instant 10 gladiator points if you verbally abuse another player in the game. or etc, as Arena Net sees fit.

Imposing a restriction, limitation and penalty is a good way to curb the population bad behaviour since we won't do it ourselves.

Chocobo1 · May 22, 2009, 03:18 AM // 03:18

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

LMAO, the OP is too immature to control his nerdy rage then makes a thread calling the rest of the community immature for not tolerating his tantrums. Just stay out of RA till you grow up.

See this is exactly what I was talking about in my post. You can't reply to what people say, no matter how stupidly irritating it is because they just /report you for disagreeing with them.

The very fact that you think you need to MATURE TO GO INTO RA is the biggest /palmface ever. Have you ever been to RA? Because if your looking for maturity, thats not where I would be looking. Also the huge irony of insulting someone asking for a dicussion on an obvious problem is a pretty big sign of immaturity is kinda funny.

I post in pretty much every /report thread there is, I have many ideas that I would love to see used instead of this function but the fact that it takes a huge workload of Anet who is already understaffed means it's pretty safe to say that it's going to be around for a long time.

Shadowspawn X · May 22, 2009, 03:35 AM // 03:35

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Originally Posted by Chocobo1

See this is exactly what I was talking about in my post. You can't reply to what people say, no matter how stupidly irritating it is because they just /report you for disagreeing with them.

Ummm, no. You get banned for swearing not disagreeing or thrash talking. You are constantly banned because you constantly swear. Its that simple. Your right to swear doesn't extend to all chat. And if you actually played the game it doesn't take another player to /report. I have been in RA and HA seen profanity aimed at someone in all chat and seen the person disconnected and banned immediately.

Chocobo1 · May 22, 2009, 03:39 AM // 03:39

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

Ummm, no. You get banned for swearing not disagreeing or thrash talking. You are constantly banned because you constantly swear. Its that simple. Your right to swear doesn't extend to all chat. And if you actually played the game it doesn't take another player to /report. I have been in RA and HA seen profanity aimed at someone in all chat and seen the person disconnected and banned immediately.

Uh, lol? It's been a commonly reported problem, you can /report for anything and people get banned. IIRC it was this forum where a person and his friend tried reporting each other for nothing, and one of them got banned.

Also lol, there is no proof of this insta ban and I'm pretty sure you can't give it so I don't really believe it. And how can you tell if someone /reported them or not?

Shadowspawn X · May 22, 2009, 03:46 AM // 03:46

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Originally Posted by Chocobo1

Also lol, there is no proof of this insta ban and I'm pretty sure you can't give it so I don't really believe it. And how can you tell if someone /reported them or not?

Its a matter of context. Random swearing doesn't trigger it, but say you call your opponent a b**** in all chat while in an arena there is a good chance you are gone.

Chocobo1 · May 22, 2009, 03:50 AM // 03:50

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

Its a matter of context. Random swearing doesn't trigger it, but say you call your opponent a b**** in all chat while in an arena there is a good chance you are gone.

Once again, proof? Theres a filter in place that can sort out casual swearing and targeting swearing? And it insta bans you? I don't think so.

Shadowspawn X · May 22, 2009, 03:59 AM // 03:59

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Originally Posted by Chocobo1

Once again, proof? Theres a filter in place that can sort out casual swearing and targeting swearing? And it insta bans you? I don't think so.

Why don't you be honest and tell us what you were saying when you got banned those three times? I know for a fact it was over the top and not just some "kiddies" /reporting you because you "disagreed". But I can't prove it and I don't advise anyone who values their account to test it. Just something that I have observed in many hours of playing this game. You can take it or leave it.

Back then · May 22, 2009, 04:06 AM // 04:06

If you're constantly being blasted in RA chances are it's because you're a bad player. People in RA are very quick to criticize you, and if you can't handle it don't bother going there.

Regulus X · May 22, 2009, 04:10 AM // 04:10

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

Why don't you be honest and tell us what you were saying when you got banned those three times? I know for a fact it was over the top and not just some "kiddies" /reporting you because you "disagreed".

Actually, the part in bold happens more than you think. Sure, we all lose our tempers, but what's the chat filter for?! I understand if a person goes too far sometimes with their talk, but if the person banned was a victim of instigated and spitefully evil intent of getting back at him/her by automated banning on purpose? Do two wrongs make a right? Does entrusting a 14 year old (or less) bear anything fruitful? No. It creates what we all see in RA at this very moment: A Bitter, sour stage where abuse unfolds on a constant basis. And ya'll vouch for this crap?! WHY?! Why do ya'll vouch for this sour ambiance?!

Another highlight I'd like to point out while I'm at it: What was the original intent of the /report and D-Hex systems?

/report - control verbal abuse (with automated bannings?!.. SCREAMS abuse!)

D-Hex - Control prematurely mapping out to prevent unfair matches (players still map out, or just suicide, grieve, deny resigning, etc.. etc.. *WORSE THAN BEFORE NOW*; granted, players now get a little kick-back by getting back at them with the D-Hex/report system.. only out of malice..? nothing good out of it).

What's come out of these systems?

Uninstallations, discontinuations of gaming and a highly possible loss of interest in investing in GW2 (which they work so hard on that they completely neglect GW1 for). I know I've already had over half of my friends quit as a result of these defammatory updates.

So, what say you all to that?

Regulus X · May 22, 2009, 04:21 AM // 04:21

They hate me because I refuse to roll around in the mud of 'loss' with them.. that's why. Because they roll inferior builds (many times on purpose *called grieving*) or deny resign knowing FULL-WELL that the match is lost. Even if the match is won, without a monk?! You won't last! And they /report me, make snide comments at me and loathe me via /report-abuse for what reasons now?

Sounds to me like they have no common sense whatsoever! They're the same ones that bring low-damage skills/heals but FAIL to bring: deep wound, interrupts, kd's, disabling spells, etc.. (the sh!t that WINS). Am I wrong for not rolling around in the mud with them to make them happy campers?! Don't tell me to go TA either. TA's being DOMINATED with lame E/Me x2-3 and Me/Any + Mo/Any (WoH) + N/Any (LC) and is just too much trouble to go through for gladiator points. It's much quicker in RA for that (even VS syncers!). TA is EMPTY. Go look for yourself. There's a reason why things ARE the way they ARE. I wish players had the common sense to detect that.

Random Arenas needs ATTENTION from Anet (is the msg I'm trying to convey).

Chocobo1 · May 22, 2009, 04:30 AM // 04:30

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

Why don't you be honest and tell us what you were saying when you got banned those three times? I know for a fact it was over the top and not just some "kiddies" /reporting you because you "disagreed". But I can't prove it and I don't advise anyone who values their account to test it. Just something that I have observed in many hours of playing this game. You can take it or leave it.

Interesting, I wasn't aware that I had met you before and you knew all the situations that have come up concerning me? Everything you say has no proof, and considering this is a discussion I'd like to have a balance of opinions and facts. I don't really feel I have to discuss my reasons for banning with you, but I have actually created a topic in the past about my bans and trying to fix the problem with the /report system. This topic isn't about that so I'm not really going to get into detail about it.

So this chat instaban, it only exists in all chat? Because I talk in adult language with mature friends who I know and some of the stuff we say isn't exactly PC and hasn't resulted in some insta ban. Anyways have you got any proof to this instaban chat filter, or anything else you bring up? I'd like to know more about it.

Regulus X · May 22, 2009, 04:48 AM // 04:48

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Originally Posted by Chocobo1

Interesting, I wasn't aware that I had met you before and you knew all the situations that have come up concerning me? Everything you say has no proof, and considering this is a discussion I'd like to have a balance of opinions and facts. I don't really feel I have to discuss my reasons for banning with you, but I have actually created a topic in the past about my bans and trying to fix the problem with the /report system. This topic isn't about that so I'm not really going to get into detail about it.

So this chat instaban, it only exists in all chat? Because I talk in adult language with mature friends who I know and some of the stuff we say isn't exactly PC and hasn't resulted in some insta ban. Anyways have you got any proof to this instaban chat filter, or anything else you bring up? I'd like to know more about it.

I believe it's the act of someone reporting you for 'verbal abuse' that simply triggers the err=### and automatedly kicks and temp-bans you for a duration scaling on your history of violations (auto-pilot action). I precieve that it may require detecting/comparing your 'bad' words off a master list of some sort that they (the Dev's) have.. and if a certain quantity is reached in a given amount of time, you get banned (this is assuming in good faith that the Dev's even care enough to be the least bit fair about these automated bannings).

In conclusion, I don't roll in the mud with anyone, I get reported/d-hexed, curse about it, get reported maliciously again & again & again & again & again only in an attempt to get me banned; I get banned (because it's automated.. or in 'auto-pilot'.. no developer's review or interaction), they laugh heartily, continue entering RA to abuse the rest as much as possible, etc.. [rinse/repeat]

Many of my friends quit RA and the game in lieu of this, as well as crummy updates and GvG-oriented nerfs. I know; they TOLD me before they left.. So anyone jumping to conclusions are only putting hollow words in my mouth, disregarding facts.

Shadowspawn X · May 22, 2009, 04:53 AM // 04:53

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Originally Posted by Regulus X

Actually, the part in bold happens more than you think. Sure, we all lose our tempers, but what's the chat filter for?! I understand if a person goes too far sometimes with their talk, but if the person banned was a victim of instigated and spitefully evil intent of getting back at him/her by automated banning on purpose? Do two wrongs make a right?

I'm not saying that people don't abuse the system, but what I am saying is that leveling a boat load of profanity at someone then saying you were baited and its not your fault is no excuse.

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Originally Posted by Regulus X

Does entrusting a 14 year old (or less) bear anything fruitful? No. It creates what we all see in RA at this very moment: A Bitter, sour stage where abuse unfolds on a constant basis. And ya'll vouch for this crap?! WHY?! Why do ya'll vouch for this sour ambiance?!

I'm not going to minimize other players by assuming they are 14 just because they are beefing with me. That is a viewpoint that is very wrong. A person can be 50 and be rude and n00bish so why are you assuming they are <14? You are the one banned for inappropriate behavior not them.

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Originally Posted by Regulus X

What's come out of these systems?

I know there was a huge problem with leavers when there was no monk which is fixed and bots which is fixed. The crap going on in RA is minor compared to 2005-06. it could use a bit more tweaking but its way better.

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Originally Posted by Regulus X

So, what say you all to that?

In the end nothing excuses the fact that you are in RA swearing so bad you were banned. Nothing to blame but yourself, not the system or the kiddies just you.